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Firstly, an apology to both persons requesting information about their Great
Grandfathers. Due to a hard disk failure their contact details have been lost,
so can they please contact
Nick to re-establish communication.
Latest enquiry:
Norman Church writes:
I have been passed the attached photograph by my father who is now 85.
He unfortunately can tell me nothing about it.
I can only assume it may have had something to do with my grandparents on my
mother's side.

My mother's father was Frank William Smith, he is not in the photo, was
a passenger guard based at West Croydon when he retired. He spent all is life
on the railways. His wife, my grandmother Florence was originally a Steer and I
understand that some of her family also worked on the railways.
The only reference on the reverse of the photograph is that is taken by the
Croydon Times and has a copyright reference number of R2005. There is no
date.
Unfortunately not only did the Croydon Times close in 1967 but all its archives
have been destroyed. All that remains is microfiche copies of the paper at
Croydon Library.
With out a date for this photo it would be near impossible to track and many of
the photographs taken by the paper were never used.
One line of enquiry on the telephone leads me think the photo may have been
taken in the 1930s on the site of what is now the Fairfield Halls in Croydon.
Until 1933 it was railway sidings and a bowling club. They used an old railway
coach, without wheels, as is in the picture, as the pavilion.
I also have the following information that may help and I would always be
pleased to here from anyone who knew Frank:
Frank William SMITH
NUR Membership No. 771721
Joined Brighton & South Coast Railway 27th December 1916 as Signal Lad at
South Croydon Junction Signal Box.
27th August 1917: Signal lad at Norwood Junction South Box.
17th June 1918: Lad Porter No.25 at Sanderstead, C.O. Railway.
22nd January 1919: Lad Porter No. 370 at Mitcham
29th July 1919: Lad porter No. 343 1533 at Tulse Hill.
23rd December 1920: Porter No. 1347 at Waddon.
January 1921: Porter at Crystal palace Low Level.
1929: Goods Porter at Crystal Palace Low Level.
November 1931: Shunter at Battersea Yard.
May 1942: Appointed Passenger Guard, Victoria, and went to Victoria in June
1946.
January 1947: Head Shunter at Battersea Yard until September 1949.
27th September 1949 Passenger Guard based at West Croydon.
Last Day of Working 25th October 1967.
Date of actual retirement 4th November 1967.
Frank and his wife Florence, with their daughter Gwendoline, my mother, lived
for much of their time at 26, Broadway Avenue in Croydon.
If you or anyone else can help me I would be appreciative or of being
pointed in the right direction or pass this e-mail onwards.
Many thanks for your time.
Norman Church
E-mail address: norman@the-churches.me.uk
Outstanding enquiries:
- Does anyone have any pictures of the communications unit found in the cab
of the Class 450 Desiro units?
- David Wilson is looking for information about Robert George Twine, who was
mentioned in the Southern Railway Magazine 1942 Jan-Feb. He is beleived to have
been 65 years old, and this may be a retirement notice for him. Can anyone
locate a copy of this issue for him or provide any information as to what the
article may have said?
Anyone with further information is invited to contact the
SEmG Webmaster
with details.
A couple of Great-Grandfathers still to find:
- Mrs Grace Naunton writes: My Great-Grandfather, Augustus Sabine, worked on
the railway in Kent all his life. He was born about 1847 and died in the late
1920's. He was a Stationmaster at various locations I believe and I have
found from an archive website that he is mentioned in Southern Railway Magazine
Jan. 1840 - 1942. I would be very interested if this is so especially if there
is a photo of him.
- Richard Pepin writyes: My Great-Grandfather was an Engine Driver for the
SR, and I would like to find out more about his working life, particularly the
locos he drove. Any pointers to finding information would be much appreciated.
His history that I know so far is: born William "Bill" Carter, he
started work in the 1890's with LSWR at age 14, shovelling coal in the
yards, then went on to become a fireman and then a driver. He drove through
both World Wars, including munitions trains during air-raids. He also drove the
Bournemouth Belle many times.
Can anyone with further information is invited to contact the
The Webmaster
with details.
- Alan Barrow asks: do you have any photographs of the signals at
Okehampton?
Unfortunately, not as yet. Indeed, we are missing pictures of this station in
it's heyday, the earliest we have was taken in the 1990s! Please email Alan if you can help.
- Jeffery Grayer asks: do you have any photographs of the Sadler Pacerailer
Railbus?
The only picture we curently have is on the Droxford station page. Anyone with
further pictures is invited to contact the SEmG Webmaster with details.
Another picture has been found on the Subterrenea Britannica website, and can
be found by following this link.
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